SPEAKER_01 0:16

Hi everyone, welcome back to the Be Night Show. This is Sarah, and welcome if this is your first time on the show. So pleased to be back. As always, we have a guest on every episode. And this is no different from any previous episodes. The only difference is that we have an artist, an amazing artist. And one of the reasons we bring different people to the show is to inspire us and possibly learn a few things, one or two things from them, from their journey, and see how we can incorporate some of their lessons into our lives. In today's show, we have a lovely, lovely person, the person and the brain behind Bosco Art. He is also a dear friend. And I've always wanted to ask him the questions that we are about to ask or and hear from him. But uh first of all, let me introduce him to the show, say, and uh we see how to to dive into his world of art. Welcome to the show, Bosco.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Hello, Sarah. So so happy to have you here and so happy to share. I hope we're gonna give some nice messages today to your to your listeners. Something smart, no?

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Oh well, you're an artist, so I expect amazing things from you. First of all, Bosco, I have known you for some time, and uh during this time I've seen you do amazing things. I refer to you as a working piece of art.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Oh, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

Something you probably didn't know. Because each time I see you, you oo art. I mean, from how you dress, how you speak, how you carry yourself, and how you communicate with other people. And obviously, we find out that uh you do beautiful paintings, drawings, as well as fashion. And I wondered how did you start this journey of art? At what point did you know that you're an artist? Have you always been an artist?

SPEAKER_02 2:16

You know what they say, like normally artists you should study like since you are a child, since you are like three, four, five, six years old, whatever. People normally, you know, like draw something or paint or they dance or they or they do whatever creative, everything is art, everything can be art, let's say in that way. I don't remember that part when I was a child. So I don't know, is it good or bad? I don't remember. A couple of years ago, some of the friends I had in that period we're speaking about like 35 years ago, they told me that I was drawing something, that I had had some colors near me, that I was doing something, and uh and I was kind of like a funny child in terms of like quiet but interesting, smiling always. I remember a little bit of that period, to be honest. I don't I don't know much. And the art I can definitely say it comes to me in 2013, so a little bit, a little bit less than 10 years. And I was in Spain. I lived in that period in Palma de Mallorca. I moved there from the previous country, from Serbia. I had that moment of the country's Croatia, Serbia, Spain, and that year was a bit challenging for me. I had some difficulties in the life with the work. I passed through some different changes in the family, we had some issues and all that, and I I remember that period that I felt some kind of like heaviness inside of me. You know, like that heaviness in your stomach that something is heavy and you don't know how to get rid of it, you don't know how to relax, you don't know how to how to fix the thing, but then in the reality or how we perceive it, how I perceive it in that moment, the things just didn't go well for me. So what happened in that moment? I took pencil, I took some material for drawing, and I remembered the drawings from that period. It didn't have much meaning, but I've kind of felt like okay, I feel kind of liberation, you know, like relax. You relax after. So I was just starting to draw the boxes, some quadrants, whatever, the circles, the painted over it, and and I found it like very therapeutic. It was very good for me in that period. And I definitely remember that part as the beginning of the art journey.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 5:00

So like 2013, it was the beginning of what I'm living now.

SPEAKER_01 5:07

Amazing. And uh from your drawings, did you were you telling a story or were you drawing just to following your emotions? Were you telling a story that you wanted other people or to even see in picture?

SPEAKER_02 5:20

I was just channeling myself. I can say definitely. There was no meaning, and especially I didn't want anyone to transmit that. Yeah. I obviously didn't know express through through my mouth or through any other way. It was just like liberation for me. I kept it for me. I didn't plan to show that to anyone. But to be honest, I wasn't ashamed to to show to other people. That was very funny as well.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

You've come a long way, I mean, a long way in such a short time from when I started seeing you initially. You're doing, I think it was an exhibition, and you had some paintings, and then during that very short period of time it transitioned to fashion and you've incorporated so many other things in your art. I wondered what goes through your mind. Do you only focus on one thing at a time or do you bounce back and forth? And what triggers you to do one thing and not the other at any one given moment?

SPEAKER_02 6:19

I consider myself as a creative person. So that means that any type of expression, the creativity, is allowed. For many years, well, I can say for many years, but at the end it's not so many. We speak about five, six years only. You know, sometimes the artists have to do 20 years, 30 years of someone to recognize them.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

So I I consider, as I said, I consider myself as a creative person. I got the talent, I accepted it. It was a process as well to accept it. And I don't know, like the first came paintings, actually, first came drawings, then the paintings came. I was inspired by life. I always say my main inspiration is life. I paint what I feel, I create what I feel, and so first came paintings. And in one moment, I remember I lived in Barcelona. That was like I call it like a second stage of my art, art career, if if I can say like that. I don't wanna sound like I don't know. So that was the second phase, and I needed to express. I obviously didn't know through the mouth or through any other way. So I started to express through my clothes. I remember the first time when I put my black hat, when I cut the trousers, when I started to paint over the clothes, and it was very challenging for me because I had a daily job in that moment. I worked in one boutique hostel in Barcelona and there was a lot of work. But I was doing all that during the night. So what's happened? Like I would normally start at 12 and finish at 3. I just couldn't stop. I was just just like that a huge ball of that creative energy just was going out from me, even if my body was super tired. And but I was just like, I would create until two, until three in the night, four. Then I was forcing myself to go to bed, to sleep at least one hour or so, to wake up at six to go to work. Obviously, after some period I got sick. Uh, I ended up in the hospital.

SPEAKER_03 8:37

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

At the end of 2000, I think it was 15 or 16, something like that. Of course, I was too tired. My body couldn't resist that anymore to sleep two hours per day and to work and create and all and all and all this. But the fashion started in that point. It was my expression as well. And the people liked it. So, what happened? I wanted to come to London. You want to hear the story? Yeah, of course. I wanna I wanted to come to London for again. I don't have for many times in my life, I don't have a practical reason why something happened. I was guided by the intuition, by some inner voice. I was always guided by that. It was always moving me, taking me from one place to another. Why I ended up in Spain, I don't have the physical, the practical reason, let's say. Not physical, the practical reason, but my intuition was like go to Spain. Then I had the same with London. The London, I remember when I was younger, like 20 years ago, in the school, when I started to learn English. And I remember we had the lesson, it was during the war in the 90s. We we actually didn't have the teacher all the time because the teacher had to go on the war with other soldiers to translate things, whatever. But I remember when she was coming and we were learning the lessons in the school. I remember like when she was mentioning Trafalgar Square. I think I would never forget that. Like I just felt in that moment something like, oh, Trafalgar Square. Imagine I was maybe like 10 years old or something. And it was just something, you know, Trafalgar Square, God knows, you know, like something. So anyway, after the 2000s, or let's say, like in the past 10 years, I felt something about London. I felt something like there's something, maybe I should go. Obviously, when you are young, you don't know. You feel something, but God knows who can explain that. You know, London, where's London? Where is where is New York, where's London? You know, so I lived in Barcelona and I started to wear already that clothes. It was a pretty avant garde. Even for Barcelona, well, even Barcelona is very open and you can see pretty much of everything in the city. But it was a pretty avant garde as well. Like I remember people were watching at me, not in a bad way, but was just like, oh, who is this? What is this? You know, like you can see someone with the black hat and cut trousers and all that, and so thinking so mysterious. That's what I see in them, how they saw me. And I decided to go to London. Like to check, to see what's going on, how do I feel city, do I feel city? And you can't imagine how many people stopped me on the street to ask me, wow, your style, your clothes, where can we buy that? You're an artist. When I would say, like, I made it, really, you made it, wow, amazing, great. And Sara, I saw that as a sign. I should go to London. Yeah. I definitely should go to London and try. It was kind of like calling me, like, come here, darling, come here, you know. But it still wasn't the time. I had to be patient. I was waiting for some other things in Barcelona to get grounded, to finish, to get the Spanish citizen, by the way, to come to London. I couldn't come other way. Anyway, so at some point in 2017, it was 11 of 11, 11 of November. It was the cheapest ticket, to be honest, and I like that number. I decided to live all my life I did in Spain. I was pretty successful. I did very well. I had my motto, the work was going well. I was a travel agent tour guide for 10 years for people from Serbia and Croatia and all this, Bosnia and all this area. So I decided to left that. I lived in the penthouse, leave my motto, leave the penthouse, leave all the work, go to London. Go to London, start from zero, you know, like literally, even not from the scratch, nothing. I was just like, no, I'm going, you know, I'm going. I probably from this point, I would say it was crazy. I didn't even know what is East London, what is West London. Now I know. I didn't know anything about London. But if you ask me now, would I do the same? I probably would. It was a journey.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Interesting. So uh we'll come back to your journey in into London. But first of all, I'm so interested in finding out your inspiration. Like where your inspiration comes from. Uh, does that happen like overnight? And or does it is it something that you think about over and over and over again before you actually collect all this inspiration and sit down one day and create important something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

There's a mix, it's a mixture. It's definitely a mixture of everything. Sometimes I have that visions. Normally I'm guided by the visions when it comes to the art. So I would say visions and intuition. So when it comes to buy the material, I need to feel the material. Right. Sometimes I go ended up in some store, the right store, where I find the right material which I need. Even if I don't know for what, I just feel like, for example, okay, look at this code. I don't know what I can do, but I feel I should take it. I should take it and one day I can do something of it. So thanks to that, there's been so many material waiting for a few years to do something on it. So after that, I just feel like I need to have material around me ready. Whatever it is. Is it colors? Is it material for fashion, for clothing, some sewing, some threads, the needle, is it paintbrush, is it whatever? So I just feel like I need to collect all that material around me. And when it comes to inspiration, it sometimes is by the vision, like I should do this. But most of the time it's just come.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

I'm creative. It's like you can't ask creative what's what you're gonna create next. Because it would be from mind, it would not be from the creativity.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Right. So what I also found interesting was when you say that you used to work a day job and then at night you would stay up late creating. I just remembered they say when you enjoy what you're doing, it doesn't feel like work. So obviously, whatever you're creating at night, it was fun. It was probably that's why you had you could go on for hours and hours. It's probably more like a thirst, like you're hungry to do this. And I I was just wondering at what point did you decide, okay, I need to make this a business and to create a living out of this? When what it made you go like, that's it, I'm not doing any other work apart from creating my own line, which by the way, you've done an amazing job with.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Oh, thank you. I think that changing point was definitely moving to London.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

I decided to, okay, I don't want to work anymore. I mean, it's not that I don't want, I can't.

SPEAKER_03 16:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

It's more that I can't. It's just kind of I felt like my energy is for something else. If I would continue with the life I had before, I think it's just like the circumstances would kind of go against me. There would always be some issues, always some some problems. So I just felt like my energy should go toward the other way and was creativity. And I just had a dream about it. I should I should work with that. That that's how everything started.

SPEAKER_01 16:55

This is beautiful when you say you had a dream, and you're one of the most people who are so in tune with themselves. And you explaining this just goes to show that you listen to yourself instead of going by what everyone is doing. And by so doing, clearly you have found beautiful things that is so unique, that is so like your work is so different. And it stands out like from miles away. You can, if you see somebody with one of your coats, you go like, even before you see the label, you go like, oh, that is Bosco. And that clearly goes comes from you knowing yourself, listening to yourself, and then bringing out, from what I say, bringing out exactly whatever you feel within you. So you have been doing this in London for some time, and obviously you've had a few exhibitions in different parts of London, both for your art and your clothing. You I've seen you in quite a few pop-up shops in London. Like, and right now, as we speak, this is we're in October, sorry, September.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

September.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Yeah. I'm moving too fast. You have some of your staff in King's Road and other parts of London. What I'm trying to drive at is are you permanently somewhere or where where can someone find your staff, your work, and apart from being online?

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Yes. Having at the moment the collaboration in one store, the it's okay if I say the Cherimon in the King's Road. Right. 253, 253 King's Road, which is a great thing, which is amazing. The famous King's Road, where Vivian Westwood started, the Sex Pistol started. And like I can say I my art is in the display of the store now. So uh I'm so happy for it, you know. Like I'm telling you now, the process about when I started my drawings, and now I have things in the display in the king's road. So I have that pride inside of me, but it's a nice way. Nice way. I don't want to go to some arrogancy or something. And it's just kind of like gives me the energy to continue, to continue. So this is really amazing things. I have another art display in the Notting Hill. So, Sarah, I'm now at this point where we're speaking in two displays in London. In two great education in Chelsea and Nottinghill.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

And this is like in a space of five years. And exactly, this is why I said you've come such a long way in such a short period of time.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Yes, and think about the two and a half years for COVID.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Which everything was closed, and you couldn't do a lot. Exactly. Yeah, uh from my point of view, sometimes my my head says this is too slow, but on the other side, no, it's not too slow. I did a lot of things in in in the short period, thanks God. And this is just the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

It's just a bit you haven't even scratched the surface. So let's say, for example, or what I've known or what I've seen is most artists are not really are not business people. Or many of them struggle to put their work in a way that people can access it and buy it. And you seem to work around that very smoothly. Which I should commend you for. Like you've done an amazing job. What advice would you give someone, say an artist out there, or someone a creative who doesn't completely believe in themselves, who doesn't believe that, oh, this anyone could buy my my work. What sort of advice would you give them today?

SPEAKER_02 20:33

There's always that thing about our inner security, or people feel so insecure, not just in art, in in in every area, in every work. I think we as humans we have that inside. And this is something that we should work a lot on in. Artists, we are very insecure because we are very sensitive. I've read a lot of articles about it. A lot of teachers, our teachers would say, like, 99% of the artists would have one same thing in all of them. It's insecurity. But you have to transform. I learned that as well. Of course, I haven't been like this before. I found insecurity as a trigger, as something in a deeper level, in a bigger picture. I found it something as a trigger, is something that I need to transform that transfer because it is energy that is kind of blocking you. If you think that you are not good enough to create, to sell, to sing, to whatever, you have to work on it. And how you can work just by work.

SPEAKER_03 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:43

Just by keep creating. There's been so many, I had so many ups and downs, literally big ups, big downs, and it's very important to stay grounded. The life can bring you very good things, and life can bring you not so many good things. Which is which is okay, it's life at the end. And that where art actually helps me a lot to channel all that emotions and all that feelings and all that to stay to stay well in the head as much as it's possible. If we can say that we are well in the head, you know, especially artists. But what I want to say to everyone if there's any message that I should send to other people, it's definitely a constancy and to be persistent. There is no other thing. Sometimes I had to wait even five years for some things. For some things, believe it or not, I waited nine years. So definitely, message to everyone is you know the famous one, don't give up. I don't believe in that. Give up on something that is not good. But if you truly believe in what you are doing, you should not stop no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

And uh speaking of which, not giving up and believing, I know you're quite spiritual. And I wondered how spirituality has impacted or helped you, your work. Has it contributed to your work at all? And if so, how has it contributed to your work?

SPEAKER_02 23:14

The spirituality is is is me. It's part of me. It's it's it's my life. It's very spiritual, definitely, especially in uh past six, seven years or so. In all my art, you can find lots of spiritual things, lot of not just like expression, but there is that wisdom that I I put inside and all that transformic darkness to the light and and finding that's not very easy to find the light and everything. So that's where the spirituality helps me a lot. And I'm studying Kabbalah for many years, you know, and it is definitely something that helps me to survive and help me to continue.

SPEAKER_01 24:02

To even separate your thoughts. How do you ground yourself? Like, would you share like some practical, practical tools? Because I find that some people, highly creative people, they struggle to actually actualize their ideas because they have so many things going on at the same time. Yes, yeah, and they cannot decide on what to do, what not to do. How do you or what tools do you use, even one tool that you use to help you ground, because you're quite grounded. You're one of the most grounded people I know from how you carry yourself and how you produce your work. What tool would you share that could possibly help someone out there who is struggling with all these different ideas going through them?

SPEAKER_02 24:47

There is one when very easy medicine and it's nature. It is definitely nature. I have one tradition, if we can call it like that, something that I'm doing every single day. Sara, every single day.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Every single day.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

I'm going under any tree at least 15 minutes. It is so simple and it is so big, and it literally helps you with the overthinking. It grounds you. Sometimes people are watching me weird and like laughing, what is he doing, you know, especially in London, you know, like but who cares? As long as it helps me and helps me and it helps others, you know. We all have that overthinking and why and this and question and and doubts and all that. Trust me, if you go, maybe you are not, or maybe people are not aware of that. You don't need to be as long as it helps you. So just 15 minutes under the tree, any tree, my favorites are pines. I really love pines. Okay. I really love them. And I'm so thankful I found them. 15 minutes under the tree definitely helps.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Do you know what? This is so interesting because previously we've talked about trees again and nature. And doing some research I did some time back, apparently trees have the same frequency as our hearts, and they have the frequency of love. So if you ever look into frequencies, I think I got this from yeah, it's from Einstein. He talks about the the five to eight frequency. That's the earth frequency, and that's the love frequency, and that's the heart frequency. So standing next to a tree, apparently they emit that love energy, yeah, which we we sort of exchange with the trees and and they take away the negative energies and and they give us the positive.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

So wow, I don't know. That's amazing. Thank you for this. Thank you for the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

There you go. I'll share with you some some articles, but yeah, that explains a lot that you clearly ground yourself and you connect to nature, mother nature before you you start your day.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

I'm sending love as well to the trees. Like sometimes I'm just walking on the street and I'm just sending love, just say to the tree. I'm sending love.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

I'll check out which tree has the most frequency. But yeah, that's beautiful. And this is again why we feel so we we get that beautiful feeling when we go to maybe the countryside or we go and walk in the woods. It's because the tree are literally giving us all that frequency that we so much need.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

And uh let me tell you just about the pines because I love pines so much. Do you know the pines is the only tree that when you hug him, yeah, it connects your male and female energy. Oh, really? It is said that it's the only tree that doesn't have a sex, it's like uh kind of like non-binary, if we can say like that. It doesn't have sex, you can't say it's male or female. And when you hug him, it connects your male and female energy inside.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

Amazing. Yes. Well, you saved me some work. I was going to do some research on pine trees, what energies are I can tell you as well.

SPEAKER_02 28:07

There's like 130 different types of pines. No, I love them so much. Really? Yes. Okay. Especially the ones you can see, the difference between ones in London, they're a bit dry.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

And the ones that are next to the sea.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Oh. Do you know I'm going to look for pines now? I'm actually going to go on an experiment to find out which.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

I can show you our mine, mines. My favorite plants.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Oh, please, please do.

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Um I have trees here close to the home.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

Thanks, God. Oh gosh, I love trees. I love trees. I think they're so beautiful, and each one of them is so different. Like when you look at them, there's some which are so wild and some which are so well tamed, like the shapes, the branches, the trunks. I love trees. I just love looking at trees. Like, seriously.

SPEAKER_02 28:56

Amazing.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Seriously. I love trees. Away from the trees, what does the future hold for Bosco? Should we expect more exhibitions? Should we expect more of the same? Or are you keeping that close to your heart?

SPEAKER_02 29:14

I'm definitely creative, as I said, at this point of life. I don't know. Maybe God has some different mission for me. Let's see. I I'm open-minded in all the terms. Yes, we're definitely staying. We've just started. We just get rid of the COVID. We just open the city and the country and the world. So it's actually now I'm starting. There is one upcoming exhibition in October and Affordable Outfare in the Buttersea Park. Represented by one gallery.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

And let me tell you, it's been five years since I wanted to do this.

SPEAKER_01 29:49

So amazing.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

That's one of the things: the patience, constancy, persistence, and the big trust. A big, a huge trust, even if it's so dark that you don't see the exit or something. Keep that little small spark of like, okay, it's going to be. It's going to be wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

For someone listening right now and interested in finding out more about your work. Um, where would you advise them to look? Where can they look apart from the website which is Bosco?

SPEAKER_02 30:26

BoscoArt.com.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

On Instagram is the same, on LinkedIn is the same, Facebook the same. Bosco Art. I'm very active on Instagram, so this is where I mostly post part of the journey. When I how I'm creating, what inspired me, what are the upcoming shows and all that. So we have at this point, we have these two collaboration, as I said, in the Kings Road, 253 King's Road, and people can see the display in 9 Westbound Grove, very central, just next to the Paddington station, like five, six minute walk. We have in October Affordable Art Fair, represented by the Art Court Gallery from New York. And the next things will come after that.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Amazing. Let me ask you one thing. When you have you ever caught yourself in a process of painting or creating, especially painting, and felt like this painting, is there's still something missing, like constantly feeling like you need to you haven't brought out the picture the way you envisioned it?

SPEAKER_02 31:35

Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

And what's the longest time you've spent on a painting?

SPEAKER_02 31:39

Um I have one painting, I was working two years on it. But but it wasn't that it was just I wanted to to do it, and I until I feel that it's finished. I felt it in June last year. Okay, it's done. Yeah it's finished. So two years of work on it, the stitching. There's been days, every single day I would add something. Every single day I would take the needle and do some sewing on it, some stitching, some creation on it, and and obviously I wasn't planned to do that when I started. I did the base and I didn't know what's gonna be at the end. But depends. Like they're all so so different. They're also all the artwork is so individual and the story for itself. Sometimes I have just that big ball of creativity of some inspiration that I can do one night, something. Sometimes it takes me longer, sometimes by days, sometimes weeks. I have one painting recently, I don't even remember because there are like millions stories in the background. But I remember now, like there's one painting I did like two years ago, and I just felt like this is not finished. There's just something missing on it. I don't, you know, like I need to feel that it's finished. If I don't feel that it's finished, it's not finished. And when it's gonna be finished, God knows. So it was like I did the base, the colors, it's in the Chelsea now, so I can show you. I did the base, the colors, then I cut it with with the knife. I don't know what I felt in that moment, and it just wasn't finished. And two months ago, I was like, oh no, it is time for this one. It's just getting the time now, so we have to be patient.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

I feel like painting is well, teachers one a lot of things about themselves.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

It does teach it.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

Absolutely. It teaches you about patience, it teaches you about losing control. That was one of the things that that okay, generally the people we love to control the things, but in my in my case, I would say that I love to control things. I would love to know when something's gonna happen. But but then at the end, you can't control anything except yourself. There's nothing in this world that can be controlled. You can't control when the winter will come or we are in London when it's gonna be rain and when not. Oh well. We don't we don't need to control there's always rain.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

You wouldn't even try. I wouldn't even try to control that in rain.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

So the control is something like you can't control where your creativity will take. So it says, well, you lose the control on it. You you can't control when something's gonna be sold, when something when the buyer will come. So that's a huge lesson as well.

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Do you know when you say this about self-control or control and and patience? And I'm just here thinking, okay, wait a minute. So some artists don't want to show their art because they don't believe or they they have the self-doubt and everything. Does it feel like art comes to these people so that they can discover? They think they're discovering art, but they're discovering themselves.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

Yes, definitely. There's obviously some lesson behind. I met a lot of people that are kind of like they do something and they are scared to show to other people. Thanks, God, I don't have that. So I'm like, as soon as I finish something, I want to show. I have other types of challenges. But it's a shame. It's a shame, it's a shame. It's connected to ego, you know, shame because of this and because of this.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

What will they think of me?

SPEAKER_02 35:39

What they will think, are they gonna judge me? Uh what they're gonna say, and uh but it's a process and it's really something very hard to overcome.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

They get in the way of the painting, they get in the way of the picture, they think it's about them instead of the work they've created.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Exactly. You know how I I handle that with myself. Uh the talent is something, it's a gift. It's definitely a gift from from the God, from the creator, from universe, however people like to call it. And the gift is not for you to keep it in your bathroom, you know, to keep it in your room. The gift is something that you that the God actually communicates through you that you are a channel. Yeah I always admire people with the great voices. That's like wow. Yeah like, oh my god, Maria Callas is goddess, it's yeah, and many others and the artists, so I think that blockage of not exposing them out there in the world and show what they are doing, you kind of like blocking the the energy. The energy doesn't flow. So yes, it's it's a shame, but I see in a lot a lot of artists they have that issue.

SPEAKER_01 36:59

I agree. Have you ever been so attached to a painting or any piece of work that you've done that you don't want it to go?

SPEAKER_02 37:08

Oh, that's a good question. I think I didn't. You caught me up. I think I don't have any painting that I would say, yes, I want to keep it for myself.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

I feel sorry for other things that happen in my art that I wasn't maybe cary enough, or I wasn't do other things, but in terms of keeping them for me, I don't have that.

SPEAKER_01 37:35

You seem to sort of detach yourself from from the work. You you detach yourself from once you've created it, you let it go.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

Yes. Brilliant. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Brilliant. And uh finally, as we conclude, would you share with us some words of wisdom, some words to live by, some beautiful quotes if you have any?

SPEAKER_02 37:55

There's lots of them, but one that I discovered which really is very deep and it's it is simple but deep. That's something what I really like. So it's from Rumi, and it's saying compassion and grace be like the sun. In concealing others' faults, be like the night. In generosity and helping others, be like a river. In anger and fury, be like that. In modesty and humility, be like that. In tolerance, be like the sea. Either appear as you are or be as you appear.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

I love it. So, with those lovely words, I would like to say thank you on behalf of myself and everyone listening. Thank you so much for the time. I know we've been wanting to do this for the longest time.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Yes, now is the moment.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

It's been a year in the making, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:50

A year in the long, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Thank you so much. I'm so happy for your podcast and that you are sharing your talent and sharing with other people your energy and your light and your love. You can feel the love in your speech, in your words. And that's something what we all should do to spread love. Thank you so much one more time for being here in my studio.

SPEAKER_01 39:15

Thank you, and thanks for having me. So, everyone listening, if you've been inspired by Bosco Art, I encourage you to check him out, check what he does out. And I believe he hasn't given me permission to say this, but I'll say it. If you have a question, you're an artist and you're struggling and you don't know where to start from, I know he's the sort of person who would probably give you a few minutes to guide you and help you to find your way. So find him on Instagram, Boscoart, LinkedIn, Facebook, and his website and contact him. He is very, very willing and kind and one of the loveliest people you'll ever come across. Once again, thank you. Until next time, be nice.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

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